1 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:32,560 As regards the making of a real world, 2 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,760 or partially real, 3 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,920 for instance the relationship with things, the forms. 4 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,560 For instance, I have a relationship with things by proximity 5 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,840 except for those I can effectively touch. 6 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,520 For example: I don't know what a mountain is 7 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,440 but I could touch iron columns 8 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:22,160 a long cylinder I couldn't reach its tip, no?... 9 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Well, those are approximations perhaps too distant, 10 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,520 but I had to look for... 11 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,120 I don't know... 12 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,120 A whale, for instance I can't imagine how it is, 13 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,600 but I could by touching 14 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,240 toy fish's representations... 15 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,720 Then I try to amplify this by thousands, millions; 16 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,400 anyway, it's not enough, but... 17 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,120 I started having representations of distant objects 18 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,880 with closer ones 19 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,320 I could perceive. 20 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,360 A car, for instance I could touch just a little part. 21 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,360 Now, that doesn't give me a real idea of the whole 22 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,920 but well, I keep that piece, 23 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:41,640 or else with toy cars, which did give me an idea, but also too distant. 24 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,400 Then, it also happened with TV; 25 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:02,160 my best mates told me what they watched, 26 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,800 well... I had to make myself several interpretations 27 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,720 which were not so exact after all 28 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,040 but I represent things my way, right? 29 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,520 30 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,000 I was born in Carlos Casares on 1957 31 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,200 I got poliomyelitis in 1960. 32 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,480 I spent one year at the children's hospital 33 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,160 then I was moved to this one ''María Ferrer'' where I now live. 34 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:09,640 I suffer from respiratory sequels 35 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,680 and indeterminate blindness 36 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,520 It is supposed to have happened due to hypoxia 37 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,160 due to the lack of oxygen. 38 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:36,640 which, by now, doesn't worry me so much. 39 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,080 40 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Since I am a physically dependent man, 41 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:09,160 when the person who has to assist me does so in such a way that... 42 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:17,080 Half-heartedly and without any consideration from what I really need, 43 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,400 such as, just to say something rightly said, 44 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,560 a treatment with little humanity, 45 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,240 more than annoyance, it is... 46 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,400 It sometimes makes me feel angry and like hitting, it makes me, 47 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,240 I've felt it, like fury. 48 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:55,120 Let's say: ''Well, look, if you have to caress me, 49 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:04,760 do it with distinction, at least. If you hold me by my arm, don't pull it, see?'' 50 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,600 For us, handicapped, that is all an issue. 51 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,280 52 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,960 I have the feeling that it would be the best moment 53 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,680 even sleeping has helped as... 54 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,760 I don't know whether sleeping is an act 55 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,240 when you taking it as a refreshing sleep... 56 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,360 I'm most of the day machinating about so many things 57 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,320 and after sleeping, 58 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:41,600 all that machination doesn't seem to be so dense or intense or dramatic at all, see? 59 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,480 But this lasts a lapse of time. 60 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:00,800 Then, machination starts again. 61 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,320 62 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Because the memories I have are those related to praying at a determinate time, 63 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,360 they would pile up our Pulmotors in order to pray, 64 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,840 and it was ''this time's to pray!'' 65 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,040 It was a matter of imposition, 66 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,440 quite annoying, I would say. 67 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,040 And I remember being read to a lot about crucifixion and all that jazz... 68 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,320 To tell you the truth... 69 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,600 This was a pain in the ass for me. 70 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,080 I wanted to watch cartoons 71 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,240 - well, listen to - 72 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:10,560 and no matter how much they talked to me about salvation, 73 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,800 I wanted something else. 74 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:24,000 Something not so complicated for my poor childhood's mind. 75 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,000 Because I also asked myself, 76 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,000 hey, there's a lot of salvation around here 77 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,720 but I'm still suffering. 78 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,760 79 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,440 I thought about Beethoven, 80 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,800 because I am fascinated with 81 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,160 the proverbial creations, let's say; 82 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,120 when you say 83 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,360 ''It's a monument, it's there.'' 84 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,080 Well, I also admire Borges, 85 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,160 but mostly Beethoven 86 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,400 since I love his music 87 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,240 let's say. 88 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Because I spend my time tasting things, 89 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,640 and I always think about my existence... 90 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,120 I play the piano, right? 91 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,360 I have this small keyboard, 92 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,040 but I can make simple things. 93 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,480 I am admired by 94 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,240 guys who make a master work like a universe, see? 95 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,040 And I said Beethoven before 96 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,720 not only for his work, but also because of... 97 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,960 having to fight against physical pain, too, right? 98 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,640 but, however doing things like the ones he did. 99 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,240 And I would sum it up there, 100 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,960 because it represents many things, 101 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:27,760 aspirations I have and I couldn't do, 102 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,360 though I could really do it my way 103 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,440 I'm not a good-for-nothing sufferer. 104 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,440 I do things, 105 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 but I am fascinated with proverbial things 106 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,440 and things done like monuments, with greatness 107 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,440 and completed, right? 108 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,680 109 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,880 With the animals 110 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,960 I could have some contact 111 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,000 they surpass me on the physical part. 112 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Then I feel like rejection, that is... 113 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,880 Because I could later under,go some intellectualization 114 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,200 that is, well, look there the whale its qualities! 115 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,920 But then well, if I have a cat upon me, or a dog, I feel that 116 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,520 that being might bite, scratch me, 117 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,280 and I have to endure it, see? 118 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,760 And it has also happened to me 119 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,360 I won't say zoo phobia, right? 120 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,160 Because it doesn't come to that 121 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,760 but I have some difficulty in the game, with contact. 122 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,560 I'm very stuck to my world 123 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,560 and what I cannot touch or get a grip from 124 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,560 becomes indifferent and alien; 125 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,880 or else I value it by means of intellectualization 126 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,240 not for having some real contact, right? 127 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,040 128 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,440 I didn't say I was waiting for them 129 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,440 Yes, probably I was, but I don't remember that much. 130 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,440 I got surprised when they came, 131 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,440 it was an event... 132 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,760 like the man reaching the moon, 133 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,360 it was the time of the 60's when there were space travels, 134 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,360 I associate it a lot with that 135 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,680 ''Look! What a magical thing, my mother came!''; 136 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,320 I saw them every... 137 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,320 Two or three years went by 138 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,560 and I even sometimes couldn't remember their voices; 139 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,400 I lived that - bah, the memory I have, 140 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,400 also very filtered perhaps - like an event. 141 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,840 And it also happened to me that 142 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,840 they talked to me about a world 143 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,840 , which was like Mars or Venus I don't know... 144 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,920 The land where they lived... 145 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,440 Now, by means of intellectuality I can talk to you about Carlos Casares, but I was never there. 146 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,760 Or as far as I gather, as I could talk to you about any other territory. 147 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:34,080 In those times, it made me feel very strange 148 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,960 to hear about cows, the countryside, names of places, I don't know. 149 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,240 And I was living something different, 150 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,680 I was living the same life as my ailing roommates, 151 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,640 you can say, well not so exaggerated... 152 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,240 Besides, what it was a strong contrast was that 153 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:20,000 my roommates had their families all day long with, 154 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,040 and perhaps 155 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,880 my daily family was theirs and not my own, in a sense; 156 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,000 because they shared their food with me 157 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,600 and one of the children's father sang me tangos 158 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,600 and taught me boxing, 159 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,720 and he was more like my father, 160 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,600 though I don't have the feeling he was my father, 161 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,920 but it was a stronger experience than my own father. 162 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,840 163 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,600 When I told you... 164 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,360 You can or can't you can make a life!... 165 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Not the same one but... 166 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,400 Together with the rest, 167 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,600 something of this is similar when I start studying; 168 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:54,680 because there were other people here who studied Law, Psychology... 169 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,920 but the question was, 170 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,160 or everybody told me: 171 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,040 How are you going to do this, to read, operatively, concretely? 172 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,720 So, well, it was ''The Change'' to me 173 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,120 that was the change. 174 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,160 Though today it breaks my balls and I say: 175 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,880 When will I fucking end up with all this and so on... 176 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:37,440 It has to do with what I could do more than what I liked. 177 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,280 I would say it was the last option, 178 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,360 but I did choose it 179 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,240 because I always liked to be read, 180 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,240 and when I was in the sharpest stage at hospital, 181 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,040 some people came to read 182 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,040 things like ''Don Quixote'', ''The Little Prince'' 183 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,320 ''Robin Hood'' 184 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,680 and it was the most beautiful moment of the day to me 185 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,680 or perhaps the only nice day. 186 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,680 I liked listening to a voice reading about 187 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,680 things from other worlds. 188 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,520 And I think I wasn't wrong. 189 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,640 Because although there are,things I am most interested 190 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,640 there are some other disciplines I also like, 191 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,720 but I have access to them through letters. 192 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,480 For instance, I like history a lot, 193 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,520 that's why I use certain mental exercise... 194 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,720 195 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,440 Well, some ailment 196 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,240 no, no, no, some blunder 197 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,040 it was that thing I described previously, 198 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,440 they didn't know what to do, 199 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,440 they were moving everything. 200 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,800 And since I seemed to be the worst one from the health's point of view, I would say!... 201 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,760 That is, it was as if they gave you a number, 202 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,240 that is one, this one's two 203 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,880 and this is the worst one, what's worse, he is blind and breathes like shit, what shall we do? 204 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,120 Shall we kill him or do I we let him live and last? 205 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,120 That stigma remained, even up to date you can feel something about it. 206 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,160 It was then that I am moved into Room 5 207 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,280 another strange experience because there were all women and me... 208 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,280 Paralytic women but... Well... 209 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,000 It doesn't matter... 210 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,000 And I was twelve, that was from 1970 to 1973. 211 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,000 It was better than the other place... 212 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000 Than room two, being alone with the moribund, 213 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,960 they were women. 214 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,440 All the same, I could feel the pressure of 215 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,160 women speaking all the,time about women's stuff 216 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,800 using another language, 217 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,560 they were some years older than me, 218 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,680 they might be between 18 or 20. 219 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,200 It was all a commotion to me 220 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,720 should they undress me in front of the girls or 221 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,480 should they place a folding screen so that they couldn't see my intimate parts? 222 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,480 And I was there questioning to myself what was best 223 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,520 whether to be happy because they were going to see me or the moral question 224 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,520 they'd better not see me naked otherwise... 225 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,800 And fuck it all, let them see me... 226 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,800 I would be thrilled if that happened, see? 227 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,040 But that was another story. 228 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,240 I still wanted to come here with my friends, you know? 229 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,160 230 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,520 It was a moment that... Well... 231 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:36,800 I have always been involved in politics 232 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,160 and that was the lowest moment for me in politics, 233 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,240 when everybody spread apart. 234 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,640 I'm talking about the 1990, 1991 235 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,240 during Menem's administration, and there was.. 236 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,520 I can't say whether the whole world lived things like this but... 237 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,760 at least things were such, here. About flying saucers and with... 238 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,640 We made all a ceremony down there in the park... 239 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,840 turning around and meditating; 240 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,440 a very crazy thing. 241 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,200 And I was listening to all of the esoteric programs which turned up in those days. 242 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,400 I remember that 243 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,840 those who came to visit me 244 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,880 were hallucinating about burned grass 245 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,960 and that a UFO had landed 246 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,800 it was all very crazy. 247 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,880 Mind you, something happened since I asked many people 248 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,120 and they had seen the burned grass. 249 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,360 There was much of an explanation 250 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,360 but I didn't quite believe the UFO thing. 251 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,080 252 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,680 I remember I was the whole night awake with that. 253 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,280 But what most amazed me 254 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,800 was the idea of floating 255 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,080 because it was supposed that they were lighter due to the lesser gravity 256 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,080 and that they were moving with more freedom. 257 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,440 And I could imagine myself being in that place, 258 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,000 and floating and being able to... 259 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,920 I imagined, ''If I were on the moon, I might walk...'' 260 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,960 I don't know, because I can move myself a little. 261 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,360 I was 9 or 10, I don't remember how old I was by then. 262 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,120 I imagined... 263 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,760 All the rest, the scientific subjects were not interesting to me by then, 264 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,800 but that part of it amazed me, the part of floating and moving; 265 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880 and then also the craters 266 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360 I don't know why they impressed me most. 267 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,600 I cannot explain why. 268 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,240 What else 269 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,880 that's all 270 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,800 that's the moon. 271 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,800 272 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,480 Nowadays 273 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,480 I link the profane and the real, that may be so. 274 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,480 Somewhat Platonic, don't you think so? 275 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,360 Did you notice that Plato divided the worlds into the ideal and the copied one. 276 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,640 And all the things related to university, literature, texts, abstractions 277 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,160 would be in that area. 278 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,400 And this state of affairs that's the doxa 279 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,840 but upside down from Plato. 280 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,120 This is real to me. 281 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,160 This doxa might be less interesting but... 282 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,360 of course, Plato took the doxa as what is false 283 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:30,440 and I, in fact, take it as what is real... 284 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,400 This doxa, this shallower world. 285 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,400 But it is the real or at least 286 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,400 what I can touch all the time. 287 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,440 Perhaps, 288 00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:02,560 this doxa doesn't arose me but that's what I have. 289 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Well, I got entangled, stop it. 290 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,560 291 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,120 I remember that when I was moved from hospital and I went to the Ferrer Home, 292 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,080 my ultimate implication in that was somewhat, 293 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,440 it comes to me the word ''morbid'' but it is not... 294 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,440 I though it could be. 295 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440 When they were about to bathe us... 296 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:59,840 I was sometimes bathed with a disabled woman since I wasn't able to see 297 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,520 I couldn't see her 298 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,760 but I dreamt they could see me. 299 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,600 My days passed thinking about this, which was like magic. 300 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Besides, this didn't happen so often, after all. And I was expecting it to happen. 301 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,520 302 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,240 Borges, of course 303 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,480 because 304 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,920 because of his blindness. 305 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,000 Besides, I remember that one day 306 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120 he was taken to a class I was supposed to attend and I missed him. 307 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,560 I missed the chance of that contact with him. 308 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,960 And not long ago 309 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,320 I heard ''The tigers' gold'' 310 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,200 where he describes the issue on colours 311 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,680 where he says he can see yellow but not black. 312 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,960 It strikes me a bit all of his work 313 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,080 but mostly because of his blindness. 314 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,600 I am thinking about another author 315 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,840 the problem is I find it hard to tell: 316 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,840 this one struck me in such a way... 317 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,840 Because all of them strike me in a particular way. 318 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,840 I might say Cortázar, 319 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,520 but not his whole work; there are stories that strike me a lot. 320 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,320 Bioy Casares marvels me. 321 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,520 Some time ago, I read ''The dream of the heroes'' 322 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,680 I found it extraordinary. 323 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,480 But I have some difficulty with poetry, 324 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,680 mainly with the subject of music on words. 325 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,760 I remember 326 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,920 Vallejos struck me a lot 327 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,800 that poem... 328 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,360 ''There are strikes like God's hate'' 329 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,360 and I had never thought about it... 330 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,480 Many things didn't occur to me, 331 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,680 but the music on those constructions, see? 332 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,240 How! From God's hate... 333 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,080 I turned around with that phrase, right? 334 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,040 God hating and striking? 335 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,600 Oh, look, someone wrote about this! 336 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,720 337 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,600 There was a strong contrast between illness and disability, 338 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,600 in those days it was not called like that. 339 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,600 ''You are not ill but a guy with Polio sequels'' 340 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,840 ''and you can have'' 341 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,200 experiences as anyone'', it was like a leitmotiv. 342 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,680 Well, in my case, 343 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:08,280 everything was twice as much complicated. 344 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,160 The movie was to be told to me and they did so, 345 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,240 and today that looked natural 346 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,240 but there was people who didn't want to do it 347 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,120 then I missed the party 348 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360 not them, we played a video and they told me the film. 349 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,720 350 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,680 When I was 24 - I shouldn't be telling you this - 351 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,480 I was brought two girls 352 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,040 disguised as nurses, 353 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,040 not as social workers 354 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,520 well, they brought some girls. 355 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,640 That was when I had my sexual initiation. 356 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,840 I got my first pension 357 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,840 and I banked on my four mates... 358 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,480 I spent all my money in dissolution and heresy. 359 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,040 Of course... In satisfaction. 360 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,120 Well, yes, I paid for the four of them. 361 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,120 Me and the other three mates. It was spectacular 362 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,120 well, no, so-so, it was not so... 363 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,240 But the event really was so 364 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,120 all the mise en scene, right? 365 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,960 It was not so cool for me because I understood nothing 366 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,240 I didn't know what it was all about. 367 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,880 Well, yes. I sort of touched on the subject but... 368 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,240 369 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,800 Yes... In water I generally had that feeling of welfare, 370 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,560 of being able to move a little more. 371 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,800 When I was in the sea 372 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,920 -and I remember because they had to hold me- 373 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,920 there was a very strong wave coming, 374 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,920 it was to me, I don't know may be it wasn't but... 375 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,000 And I associate this with... 376 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,880 I felt like a person throwing water on me, 377 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,000 and I might imagine ''God'' or whatever, 378 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,040 but I associated that with the concrete idea 379 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,480 of throwing water on me, with a jar! 380 00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,160 Because it came to me... 381 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,920 Because I guess that all of you who see it coming, 382 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,400 that water swaying 383 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,800 and it came all of a sudden on me I didn't know when it was going to ... 384 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,920 That overwhelmed me, see?... 385 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,960 And it was amazing!... 386 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,920 And I thought someone else was doing that. 387 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,720 388 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,760 NORBERTO'S BEDSHEETS a video by Hernán Khourían 389 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,440 (C) Copyright 2003 Hernan Khourian All rights reserved.